/int/ - International

I would have to read the essay before I could make a judgement.

From twitter: >For a psychology course at the University Oklahoma, Samantha Fulnecky was asked to write a 650-word essay reacting to an article about how people are perceived based on societal expectations of gender. >In her essay, Fulnecky argued that traditional gender roles should not be considered stereotypes. She cited the Bible to support her stance that eliminating gender in society would be "detrimental" because that would put people "farther from God's original plan for humans." >She received zero points out of 25 on the essay. Transgender professor, Mel Curtis, said Ms. Fulnecky, failed to use empirical evidence/and called parts of her essay offensive. I'll let you guess, Bernd, is this in support of the Christian woman who thinks her beliefs belong in a scientific essay or does this criticise the woman? It's from the organisation that blew this up in support of the religious fanatic. All that sounds quite fucked up to me. Religious freedom does not mean that your beliefs can be treated as facts. They are beliefs. Religious freedom means they can pray on a Sunday and they can't get a worse grade for the same essay just because they have these beliefs. It doesn't mean they can write that the earth is 6000 years old in geology class or that god made all the animals s they exist today on the topic of evolution. Some quotes from the essay: >eliminating gender in our society would be detrimental, as it pulls us farther from God's original plan for humans. >Women naturally want to do womanly things because God created us with those womanly desires in our hearts. The same goes for men. >The reason so many girls want to feel womanly and care for others in a motherly way is not because they feel pressured to fit into social norms. It is because God created and chose them to reflect His beauty and His compassion in that way. >Society pushing the lie that there are multiple genders and everyone should be whatever they want to be is demonic and severely harms American youth. The US are cooked.

>>28061 Religiousness is on the rise all around, even here in Ösistan. And that isn't just the regular increase in shitty Islamism, but now thanks to economically harder times our native yokels flock towards Catholicism like the fucking sheep they are. This surely will fill their pockets, sects all around the globe are known for that, right? So glad that I just have a few more years left here.

>>28062 Imagine the outrage of those Christian nationalists if a student paper on a scientific paper argued on the basis "well, allah said ... and the prophet Mohammed claimed". >We at Turning Point USA believe that a failing grade on that radical Islamist paper is not enough. The student clearly showed that he is not fit for an academic education and should be expelled.

>>28063 >Imagine No, one of the reason why I soon want to move far away is that I don't have to meddle with this bs anymore, instead light some incense and pray to Buddha like the fucking sheep I am when it serves my own agenda.

>>28061 quoting the bible is empirical evidence, assuming you believe in christanity and god. the tranny replied citing 'every major american psychological association' as proof 'gender and sex is not binary' which is tantamount to what the women did citing an authority that you would have to see as legitimate though i guess quoting tranny suicide rates and dropping female mental health would be more in depth

>>28072 It's not funny to larp as an idiot anymore. We used to larp as flat earthers and shit, but imagine a teacher getting suspended for grading a flat earth paper accordingly.

>>28074 shes using it as a socio-cultural source. like you could say every major religion has similar views on gender, homosexuality, family. or a rtheroical appeal for an opinion piece also you would just talk to that person in question like people do at real jobs, and not abuse your position to be an asshole to children and teens by giving them a zero and telling them god is bullshit

If your arguments against troons comes from religion then you're a dimwitted retard. There's plenty of factual low hanging fruit to pick from, no magic sky daddy necessary.

>>28075 >like you could say every major religion has similar views She could have said that. That would have been okay. But she stated as a fact that god did something.

>>28075 Hinduism and Buddhism don't really, just the Abrahamistic retards, while they kill each other about petty details. And all show pretty obvious signs to just be another tool for control and reduced freedom over the masses, while those preaching the loudest live in sin, by their own definition.

>>28074 To think that I memed for Diaper Don anno 2016 myself sickens me. At least I learned a valuable lesson.

>>28083 Addendum: also she should have made the connection between the cultures in the Bronze Age Levant to modern America if her task was to write about modern America. Imagine writing a paper on chemistry and saying "it doesn't exist because Bronze Age China proved that there are only five elements"

>>28086 I shall die on the hill of defending the 4 basic ingredients of alchemy.

>>28084 hinduism is not an organized religion with tenets, thats just a word used to group pagans of india together. buddhism does in fact say women are sub servient to men and different in nature.

Heh, Christlet got owned good.

>>28087 Fuck you for discriminating me based on my religion. Saying air is an element and wood isn't should be punishable by death.

Arguing about elements is silly really, Scientific elements and historic elements aren't the same.

>>28094 Pff air, water... I was talking about the true 4 principles of alchemy, Albedo, Rubedo, Nigredo and the ever ignored Citrinitas. Check my sandboxing, it's always black, red and white, with faint hints of yellow :3

Oklahoma is the most religious conservative state apart from Utah. I am sure a significant portion of the bachelor's level students hold similar views as her. The TA is correct that it doesn't take a scientific approach to gender, but it does make an argument and uses a source (the Bible). I don't agree with the TA either, they start off saying that they are not taking off points because of the argument then gives the paper a 0 and heavily criticized the argument. The student also filed a religious discrimination complaint and had the TA suspended... I don't know, it seems both the TA and student need some training on what is expected of them...

I find it very irritating this zoomer habit of arguing only with science, and they always think their opinions are scientific, when in fact they don't even manage to be logical for starters. Troon discourse is very much like this. They genuinely think they're making a good argument when they say: >but people are born with X sexual defect, therefore sex is a spectrum I remember reading an article decades ago where a murkoid professor commented that murkoid kids were unlearning to see anything but science as an authority. And I think this is what is going on here. They don't know how to use any other kind of reasoning. School system taught them only this, but also taught them that anything else is bullshit and must be questioned. The schools teach skeptic thinking and critical thinking, and these two thinkings tell you to question everything else. So you end up with these kids who either see everything as debate over facts or debate over identity. Meanwhile they fail basic logic reasoning taught from greek philosophy.

>>28689 Hue.

Kek.

>>28312 We like to think of biological sex as a binary because that is what makes logical sense and is easy for us to understand. And it is mostly correct but not entirely. Sex is a spectrum in the sense that everyone generally has two chromosomes, either X or Y. Some people have XX, some people have XY. However, people can also have XXX, or XXY, or XYY. The X chromosome is also much larger than the Y chromosome, and contains the information required to create a woman. The Y chromosome, in comparison, is tiny, and contains only the information to transform a woman into a man. These chromosomes contain DNA, which can say anything and are very mutable. However, none of that makes sense from a logical perspective. Who in their right mind would design a binary system like that? Anyone with a brain would know the logically system would be to have one X or one Y, and X is female while Y is male. The only explanation is that it came into being gradually, from single sex organisms, and isnt designed well for that reason. As far as gender goes, that's a cultural question. It doesn't affect me either way, however I also don't think people should be able to bend rules because they want to and expect people to accommodate. Rules exist to benefit the people in charge.

Sex is biological and scientific. Gender is humanities and therefor "science".

>>31213 Both are quite rare, but Chapelle syndrome and CAIS among others cause XX males or XY females.

>>31257 Ooo Chapelle syndrome is weird. I mean, CAIS is weird too, but it is simple. The body doesn't react to androgens properly, so the body doesn't transform from female to male, despite having an X and Y chromosome. Chapelle syndrome is some of the father's y chromosome DNA getting passed to a daughter, making the daughter appear male, despite being XX. DNA is weird like that and can just copy other DNA, hence why viruses are so prevalent.

>>28061 >In her essay, Fulnecky argued that traditional gender roles should not be considered stereotypes. She cited the Bible to support her stance that eliminating gender in society would be "detrimental" because that would put people "farther from God's original plan for humans." Based and correct. >I'll let you guess, Bernd, is this in support of the Christian woman who thinks her beliefs belong in a scientific essay or does this criticise the woman? >It's from the organisation that blew this up in support of the religious fanatic. Oh, it's YOU again. Lol.

>>28063 >an article about how people are perceived based on societal expectations of gender >"Scientific paper" I wonder if you realise how obvious you are, cuckold.

>>28074 >It's not funny to larp as an idiot anymore Apparently you're not LARPing.

>>31213 It's interesting, but ultimately just a proxy argument. People don't like especially mtf because it physically disgusts them, and activates their instinct to protect women. ftm get less hate, but opposition for likewise quite a simple reason of that people like when women are attractive and not when they make themselves unattractive.

>>28084 >Hinduism and Buddhism don't really The shit you practice at your yoga pilates courses with other "girls" has nothing to do with real Hinduism or Buddhism, cuckold.

>>31213 >Sex is a spectrum >However, people can also have XXX, or XXY, or XYY That's still either a male or a female, you absolute brainwashed retard.

>>31218 >Gender is humanities Gender is linguistics and linguistics only. Any use of the term "gender" outside of the field of linguistics is brainwahsed subhuman liberal cuckold behaviour.

>>31368 What is that supposed to mean?

>>31369 It means that there are only two chemical elements. All other "elements" are just mental illnesses.

>>31373 Are elements and mental conditions the same? Or do elements have mental conditions? Do you think they can get mental conditions?

>>31369 It means that THAT obvious liberal feminist cuckold is triggered again.

>>31374 It's just a joke how two elements make up the vast majority of matter in the universe. Some people say that there are only two sexes/genders because male (46XY) and female (46XX) make up the vast majority of people. There's also one with screws with Philips and flathead being real screws and torx, hex etc. are labelled as mental illnesses. >>31375 Apparently, in 2025, posting a meme means you're triggered, but writing in CAPITAL LETTERS and calling names means you're calm and collected.

>>31397 >posting a meme You're not fooling anyone, clown. >Some people say that there are only two sexes Lol.

>>31397 But do you believe that a hydrogen gen atom that identifies as a different atom then can become that atom? And that their are spectrums of this?

>>31405 I don't relieve that hydrogen atoms can identify as anything since I don't think they're conscious. Also, this meme is about intersexuals, not transgenders. Just like most of this thread. Thanks for attending my ted talk "explaining your jokes like Spede Pasanen"

>>31406 How many intersex genders do you think their are?

>>31409 This Germanball posted a nice overview: >>31257

>>31410 That lists conditions but how many genders do you think there are?

>>31339 Only because you are trying to force a binary system on something that isn't binary. Let's use Chapelle syndrome and CAIS as an example as those cases are interesting. How do you call a person who has XX chromosomes but looks physically male confidently male or female? Or an individual who has XY chromosomes who looks physically female? The immortal test of having a doctor look at a baby and pick the gender simply does not work in these cases. That is how biology is. Sex is not binary. There are cases outside of XX and XY that can happen. Anything can change the DNA. It's stupid. Like I said before, anyone with a brain would have made chromosome, X or Y, with instructions for each that cannot be changed. That makes logical sense. Instead we have this wonky two chromosome system with DNA that can mutate wildly. A lot of variation can happen.

>>31411 I'm a STEMlord. Gender is a cultural phenomenon, so for details, better ask someone with a background in the humanities. I don't know if the answer to your question is considered to depend on a region, or if your question implies a broad overview over all cultures. I know some cultures have explicit genders beyond male and female, but I don't know the details. You'd have no benefit if I googled the details for you over googling yourself.

>>31413 You posted the image not me. How many sexes do you think their are?

>>31415 First of all, it's "there are". I don't generally like to grammar-nazi, but you did it multiple times and it tickles my autism the wrong way. "Their" is a possessive adjective. As in "Their parents were siblings". Second of all, re-read the image. Nowhere it says "I am going to give you an exact number of genders". So I don't understand your logic there.

>>31416 But in order to make a comparison between genders and elements we have to work these details out. An Element is something able to be defined and counted. Yes of course we don't know all the kinds fo elements but we can say that we know of 118. How many sexes do we know of?

>>31418 Nowhere in the meme did it imply countability. >>31257 implies it's a spectrum rather than a discrete, countable set. But if you must count, you can start in that figure. I've seen it before, it was from a scientific publication several years back, so it's probably not a bad starting point.

>>31421 Did you post that image and were their elements mentioned in that image? I am referring to the one you posted that has elements. >>31368

>>31412 >That is how biology is. Sex is not binary. There are cases outside of XX and XY that can happen. Anything can change the DNA. And each of those "cases" makes reproduction difficult or impossible. Your argument makes as much sense as saying that people don't have two legs because some people are born with one or none at all.

>>31425 There is a scientific word for what you are describing. It's phenotype. A zebra can look like anything, have any number of legs, or heads, or stripes, or anything else because DNA is mutable. However, it's phenotype is the set of the observed traits in an organism. Most zebras phenotypically have four legs, one head, and stripes. However, the example I gave is still messed up because you have people that are phenotypically make with two x chromosomes and phenotypically female with an x and y chromosome.

>>31431 u r just capitalizing on birth defects for ideological reasons. its a very cute verbal trick

>>31431 What exactly prevents you from classifying certain variations as pathological?